This still amuses me. Free The LiveJournal Three! Possible because it's late and I'm immresed in my IRA research and well, I'm trying to make sense of it all and it's nice to have things like this to lugh about so there.
You had a phish song on your music thingy. "Story of the Ghost" was given to me as a gift last year, and is the only Phish album I own, but I like it a lot. Hence, the running. :-)
Aaah, I see. So you couldn't possibly tell me if this song is what the Cheers song is based on, or if it's a parody type thing of the Cheers song, huh?
Hee hee. [rattles tin up against the bars] We shall overcoooome, soooome daaaaaay...God, that seems like a million years ago, eh? Meanwhile, the Jedi Hurtaholics archive gets shutdown, Warner Brothers wants to strangle HP slash in its cradle--and here we still are. How did *that* happen, eh?
Hee hee. [rattles tin up against the bars] We shall overcoooome, soooome daaaaaay...God, that seems like a million years ago, eh?
Indeed. Funny how time flies in fandom, innit? One day you're a high school student finding dirty pron stories online, and the next you're a anfry, bitter fan hag writing the most looked-down-upon things in fandom and snarking about how certain fandoms went to heck.
Meanwhile, the Jedi Hurtaholics archive gets shutdown, Warner Brothers wants to strangle HP slash in its cradle--and here we still are. How did *that* happen, eh?
And let's not forget that RPS was "outed" in one of the UK's leading music magazines and there wasn't even a letter to the editor in reaction. More proof (as if we needed it) that the only people getting their knickers in a twist over RPF and RPS are fanficcers and slashers themselves.
And the thing that really annoyed me about the JHA was that it happened to someone who was supportive of our right to RPS, so I couldn't even gloat about it. Grrrr.
Oh, I'm not gloating--the poor woman would have been fine if she hadn't had the complete misfortune of running into those "Site of the Day" assholes (them and Portal of Evil--shudder). It's just...*cute,* though, how slashers manage to go into a frenzy over exactly the wrong things every damned time.
But I wanted to gloat, dammit! Whine. I wanted one of the really rabid anti's get c&d'ed. (*coughTecough*) I wanted to point and laugh and go "HA-ha! You got C&D'ed and I didn't. Now who's risking legal actions, huh?" And I can't and that pissed me off.
And yeah, it's the reason why she was C&D'ed that sort of bugs me. The incertainty about fanfic is ... annoying, for lack of a better word. Basically, FPS is safe as long as no one draws TPTB's attention to it. It gives just about every Joe Shmuck with a chip on his shoulder and a stick up his ass has power over me and that's not something I like.
The whole JHA thing got me thinking, too. If I get C&D'ed tomorrow about, say, RS-X or SEX or any of the personal RPS sites (highly unlikely considering the lack of traffic, but whatever) I'm pretty sure I'd do whatever was in my power to keep the stories up. If I get a C&D from the Tolkien heirs tomorrow, chances are the archive'll go down, if only because Id be on shaky ground, legally.
Seriously. My policy page wasn't ever listed as a site of the day but low and behold, one day I got an e-mail from Yarbo's representative... (Moment of terror.) Nothing said about her page, just a request that I change Not with out permission to Never. Babbling.
It's a combination of traffic and where you are linked.
I'd like to strangle my urge to write (more, dammit, one story's almost done) HP slash in its cradle before Draco convinces me that, yes, I really do need to write about Snape teaching him new and exciting things to do with a wand. Think Warner Brothers will help me out?
Er...uh...geez, why don't you ask me something *easy* this early in the morning? The thing is that--being a lot fussier about canon and characterization in litslash than I am in other mediaslash--I tend to dislike 95% of what's out there, including the "good" stuff, and thus kind of avoid the fandom entirely. Er...Telanu's Harry/Snape stories aren't bad...don't think you're into Harry/Ron, or I'd rec Mary's "Wish Fulfillment...
And now I'm stumped. Don't like most Harry/Draco by definition, the fandom in general seems hostile to Harry/Ron, many of the people now writing Snapeslash don't seem to grok the idea that, uh, he's not a *nice* man, the Sirius/Remus camp is infested with the same slash-fascist contingent that controls fandoms like The Sentinel and if I see another fucking yaoi characterization in that or any other pairing I may be forced to scream and break things. So I'm not your recs go-to gal, I fears.
Of course, I recommend *my* HP unequivocally, but it ain't finished yet. ;-)
I did like Telanu's Harry/Snape, even if the relationship is mostly lifted from the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan dynamic.
I didn't understand the Harry/Draco thing when I was reading the books, but the subtext fairly rolls off of their first scene together in the movie.
Why is the fandom hostile to Harry/Ron? It seems like such a sticky sweet fandom would love that relationship. I'd like it if someone would write it well without writing it sappy.
I'd also love to read George/Fred that's actually--gasp!--funny. And I'd really like to read something with George and Fred being funny with a woman, but, then, I'm sick and twisted that way.
I'm not familiar with the slash-fascist contingent. I've been far away from mainstream fandom for a long time.
Were your fic finished, it would have been one of the first HP stories I would have read.
Well, have patience and it will be. I write slow, but I get there in the end. :-)
I know a good (and funny) Forge story, but the writer's taken her stuff underground what with Warner Brothers threatening action so I shan't mention it out here in public. Re the Harry/Ron hostility: Don't ask me, I just work here. I'm an unfashionable sucker for the romantic meant-to-be stuff, so when I find it without honey on top I'm quite happy. Ditto Sirius/Remus.
Re the books, I can accept easily that Draco wants Harry but I simply don't see the reverse being true (which is not to say I don't love a good H/D non-con, but that's about as far as I see it going, YMMV). Of course, the fact that Draco is shaping up as the Matthew Hale of the wizarding world does, shall we say, dampen his appeal to me as anything but an occasional nasty-fuck vehicle.
How is the H/S thing in Telanu like the Obi/Qui relationship? Other than the obvious thing about one of them being a teacher. I've never read much of anything in TPM fandom.
Sometimes I'm a slow writer, but we're approaching exam time, so now I'm writing a lot and quickly.
Could you perhaps e-mail the good twincest author and ask her if you could either give me her e-mail address to ask about it or if she could just e-mail me directly? You know I won't go ratting her out to Warner Brothers.
Hmm. I didn't even see Draco wanting Harry in the books. I saw them as fairly straightforward antagonists. Is there any good H/D non-con out there? Because I could get behind that.
The specific way Telanu writes the H/S student/teacher relationship is very like the way some people write Q/O. (I have yet to read her Q/O, so I don't know if she writes them that way, but I'm sure she's read them that way.) The way Snape is very concerned with propriety even as he's obsessed with Harry is the same way Qui-Gon often acts. The way Snape and Harry are more or less destined to be together, and the way no one else will do, despite the fact that Harry should be an overly-hormonal teenager, is very similar to the Qui-Gon/young Obi-Wan dynamic. And, of course, "One ill-advised snog on a balcony does not create some sort of bond, Potter!" from "Like a Glass" reinforces the Harry Potter-Star Wars analogy. This view is also heavily influenced by the fact that I can't get J.K. Rowling using "the Dark Side" in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone out of my head. That, of course, is also making me want to write Anakin/Harry.
Why is the fandom hostile to Harry/Ron? It seems like such a sticky sweet fandom would love that relationship.
Because it's not Harry/Draco! (Seriously. Ask Nat about this some time, she once got "feedback" on her H/R saying "it was good, but it would've been better if it'd been H/D.")
There's a strong tendency in HP fandom to OTP, especially when it comes to the younger generation. (I suspect there's a similar thing with Sirius/Remus in the older generation.) It has to do with the whole fanon image of Draco as Misunderstood Studdmuffin In Leather Trousers Who Really Just Needs Harry's Love To Become A Good Guy.
(Aside: I've always liked Draco's potential and one of the main reasons why I kept on reading the books past book one was because I wanted to see if I was right about what I thought was going to happen to him. I also remember the first H/D stories appearing on HPslash and thinking "Oh, yes, a pairing with lots of possibilities." (Sae once compared it to Mulder/Kryceck.) However, neither Draco's nor the pairing's possibilities are explored at all in the stories I see. In fanon, Draco tends to suffer from the same thing as Spike and Ratboy. I guess people just really want to believe that even the worst jerk can become a nice guy if he just finds love. :/)
The whole OTP thing irks me a lot, even though (especially because?) I like the OTP myself. Because when a pairing becomes the OTP, the quality of the stories usually plummets (and it wasn't too much to begin with, in this case) and well, I do like some variety in my diet. I like H/R as well. And D/R. And good twincest. Or, well, anything that's well-written. If I'd have had more good non-H/D to read about a year ago, I may still be in the fandom.
Bwahahaha! I know that must have been irritating for Nat, but, really, it's funny that someone would like the story but think it would be better if the very foundation of it were changed.
Draco is definitely far more interesting than a misunderstood slash fan's dream who just needs True Love to bring out the good person hiding inside. He could just be a bully, but he could also be a really good evil mastermind. Or, if he does have doubts about following in his father's footsteps of evil, that should be a cause for serious and well-written angst, not something to be solved with the quick fix of Harry's love.
I know it's silly to ask this of a rather dedicated slasher, but do you know of any places to find (relatively) well-written HP het?
Let's see now, the thing Viktor would miss most is Hermione...the thing Cedric would miss most is Cho...naaaaah, pure coincidence and there's absolutely *nothing* slashy about Harry and Ron even though their fight in book four was such an obvious lover's quarrel you couldn't miss it for trying. Evidently, though, many folks are trying their damndest to do just that.
Re ellipses--oh, hell yeah. And this coming from someone who uses them quite a bit herself.
I can maybe maybe see Harry/Ron, or Harry/Hermoine (but honestly, in the first three books, more Harry/Ron MAYBE than Harry/Hermoine.) I just can't see Harry/Draco at all... not in the first three books at any rate. Where are they getting the idea for those two?
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And yeah, it's the reason why she was C&D'ed that sort of bugs me. The incertainty about fanfic is ... annoying, for lack of a better word. Basically, FPS is safe as long as no one draws TPTB's attention to it. It gives just about every Joe Shmuck with a chip on his shoulder and a stick up his ass has power over me and that's not something I like.
The whole JHA thing got me thinking, too. If I get C&D'ed tomorrow about, say, RS-X or SEX or any of the personal RPS sites (highly unlikely considering the lack of traffic, but whatever) I'm pretty sure I'd do whatever was in my power to keep the stories up. If I get a C&D from the Tolkien heirs tomorrow, chances are the archive'll go down, if only because Id be on shaky ground, legally.
I'm babbling. Stop me.
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And speaking of halfway decent HP writers, could you possibly recommend any?
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And now I'm stumped. Don't like most Harry/Draco by definition, the fandom in general seems hostile to Harry/Ron, many of the people now writing Snapeslash don't seem to grok the idea that, uh, he's not a *nice* man, the Sirius/Remus camp is infested with the same slash-fascist contingent that controls fandoms like The Sentinel and if I see another fucking yaoi characterization in that or any other pairing I may be forced to scream and break things. So I'm not your recs go-to gal, I fears.
Of course, I recommend *my* HP unequivocally, but it ain't finished yet. ;-)
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I didn't understand the Harry/Draco thing when I was reading the books, but the subtext fairly rolls off of their first scene together in the movie.
Why is the fandom hostile to Harry/Ron? It seems like such a sticky sweet fandom would love that relationship. I'd like it if someone would write it well without writing it sappy.
I'd also love to read George/Fred that's actually--gasp!--funny. And I'd really like to read something with George and Fred being funny with a woman, but, then, I'm sick and twisted that way.
I'm not familiar with the slash-fascist contingent. I've been far away from mainstream fandom for a long time.
Were your fic finished, it would have been one of the first HP stories I would have read.
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I know a good (and funny) Forge story, but the writer's taken her stuff underground what with Warner Brothers threatening action so I shan't mention it out here in public. Re the Harry/Ron hostility: Don't ask me, I just work here. I'm an unfashionable sucker for the romantic meant-to-be stuff, so when I find it without honey on top I'm quite happy. Ditto Sirius/Remus.
Re the books, I can accept easily that Draco wants Harry but I simply don't see the reverse being true (which is not to say I don't love a good H/D non-con, but that's about as far as I see it going, YMMV). Of course, the fact that Draco is shaping up as the Matthew Hale of the wizarding world does, shall we say, dampen his appeal to me as anything but an occasional nasty-fuck vehicle.
How is the H/S thing in Telanu like the Obi/Qui relationship? Other than the obvious thing about one of them being a teacher. I've never read much of anything in TPM fandom.
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Could you perhaps e-mail the good twincest author and ask her if you could either give me her e-mail address to ask about it or if she could just e-mail me directly? You know I won't go ratting her out to Warner Brothers.
Hmm. I didn't even see Draco wanting Harry in the books. I saw them as fairly straightforward antagonists. Is there any good H/D non-con out there? Because I could get behind that.
The specific way Telanu writes the H/S student/teacher relationship is very like the way some people write Q/O. (I have yet to read her Q/O, so I don't know if she writes them that way, but I'm sure she's read them that way.) The way Snape is very concerned with propriety even as he's obsessed with Harry is the same way Qui-Gon often acts. The way Snape and Harry are more or less destined to be together, and the way no one else will do, despite the fact that Harry should be an overly-hormonal teenager, is very similar to the Qui-Gon/young Obi-Wan dynamic. And, of course, "One ill-advised snog on a balcony does not create some sort of bond, Potter!" from "Like a Glass" reinforces the Harry Potter-Star Wars analogy. This view is also heavily influenced by the fact that I can't get J.K. Rowling using "the Dark Side" in Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone out of my head. That, of course, is also making me want to write Anakin/Harry.
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Because it's not Harry/Draco! (Seriously. Ask Nat about this some time, she once got "feedback" on her H/R saying "it was good, but it would've been better if it'd been H/D.") There's a strong tendency in HP fandom to OTP, especially when it comes to the younger generation. (I suspect there's a similar thing with Sirius/Remus in the older generation.) It has to do with the whole fanon image of Draco as Misunderstood Studdmuffin In Leather Trousers Who Really Just Needs Harry's Love To Become A Good Guy. (Aside: I've always liked Draco's potential and one of the main reasons why I kept on reading the books past book one was because I wanted to see if I was right about what I thought was going to happen to him. I also remember the first H/D stories appearing on HPslash and thinking "Oh, yes, a pairing with lots of possibilities." (Sae once compared it to Mulder/Kryceck.) However, neither Draco's nor the pairing's possibilities are explored at all in the stories I see. In fanon, Draco tends to suffer from the same thing as Spike and Ratboy. I guess people just really want to believe that even the worst jerk can become a nice guy if he just finds love. :/) The whole OTP thing irks me a lot, even though (especially because?) I like the OTP myself. Because when a pairing becomes the OTP, the quality of the stories usually plummets (and it wasn't too much to begin with, in this case) and well, I do like some variety in my diet. I like H/R as well. And D/R. And good twincest. Or, well, anything that's well-written. If I'd have had more good non-H/D to read about a year ago, I may still be in the fandom.
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Draco is definitely far more interesting than a misunderstood slash fan's dream who just needs True Love to bring out the good person hiding inside. He could just be a bully, but he could also be a really good evil mastermind. Or, if he does have doubts about following in his father's footsteps of evil, that should be a cause for serious and well-written angst, not something to be solved with the quick fix of Harry's love.
I know it's silly to ask this of a rather dedicated slasher, but do you know of any places to find (relatively) well-written HP het?
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H/R outrage, part 2.
"What?" Harry gasped. "They've got . . . they've got Ron?"
"The things Harry Potter will miss most, sir!" squeaked Dobby.
And while I'm at it, am I the only one who thinks J.K. Rowling overuses the ellipse, especially in the fourth book?
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Re ellipses--oh, hell yeah. And this coming from someone who uses them quite a bit herself.
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Hidden Land, Chapter 14, pages 146-7 is where some of it was being lifted from... but the passages that were proven were from there.