ARGH!

[bubosquared]

*screams in frustration*

So someone (A) posts an OT message in one of the communities I'm in. Someone else (B) points out the OT-ness. A denies it's OT-ness, because "it's about me, and I'm a member of this community." I kid you not. I step in and point out, in perfectly nice, understandable English, that it is OT, and that OT-ness is generally not looked kindly upon. A replies that geez, she'll delete it already, she's sorry for annoying me, it's only the second time, and some people take LJ way too seriously. I'm not touroughly irritated and snipe:

Please, don't flatter yourself. And don't pull that "there are more important things than LJ" crap, either. There are, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't stick to netiquette.

I'm merely pointing this out, since you didn't seem to gte it last time, when SEVERAL people have told you you were OT. And it may just be the second time in this community, but sine you're obviously unfamiliar with the concept of netiquette, and not that willing to learn, I will speak up about it.

And someone replies:

Ok......since you obviously invented the internet and know so much about Netiquette why don't you post what we should and shouldn't do.

why don't you also post what we should and shouldn't wear...

what we should look like, what we should belive in...

is it okay if i eat breakfast today, mommy? whine whine whine moan moan moan cry cry cry

hows that for netiquette?

So, what, asking for some fucking common courtesey makes me a control-freak and a nazi now? Argh! *breaks things* Idiots!

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[mydarkstar.livejournal.com]

Yeah, you Nazi! Don't you know that everyone has the right to post whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want? (Unless, of course, you're posting to tell someone that their post is inappropriate. Then you're an asshole who should just shut up.) It's the Internet! Things like manners and courtesy are so outdated. Get with the program, you Luddite!

Grr.

If there are "more important things than LJ," why doesn't she go do them instead of wasting people's time with OT posts, then, eh?

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

qmlskgfjqzerj I swear, I'm about to just post "So, asking for some basic courtesey is too much, now? Wow, you must be such a joy to live with."

Must not let them provoke me.

[darksong.livejournal.com]

What a baby that person is. It would be different if the community was okay with off-topic posts, but since it's not, then you do have every right to say "please stick to the rules" and I think you were pretty nice about it.

It doesn't make you a control freak and a nazi. It just makes some people whiny and overly-sensitive.

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

The thing is, though, I encounter this more and more, every time I dare venture out of my nice little niche of nice, sensible, opinionated people.

[quiet000001.livejournal.com]

been on the net since 1992. Been hearing that sort of shit since... 1992.

This is one of the many reasons why I Hate People.

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

1996, me, and yeah, been hearing this shite since then, too. See also most recent post. :)

[mydarkstar.livejournal.com]

People who whine about how their rights are being violated when the OT-ness of their posts is pointed out amuse me. I wonder how would they feel if, say, they had kids and someone were posting explicit pornography to a children's forum that they frequented, or if they were black and someone kept posting "join the KKK!" spam to their favourite African-American community. I mean, it doesn't matter, right? People can post whatever they want! That's what the First Amendment is all about! Whether it's polite or appropriate is beside the point! If you have a problem, it obviously just means that you're a big loser who takes the 'Net too seriously.

I hate people sometimes.

oh forcrying out loud

[icanreadyourmnd.livejournal.com]

you now how I would respond? "fine. you're out. don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. bye bye bye!"

frankly, this is why when I posted that LJ entry of mine about agenting, I said that authors who send their stuff to me HAVE to be able to handle feedback and criticism, because if they're gonna whine and be a baby about me saying this needs to be tightened and this scene might either have to be re-worked or has to go in order for the book to be publsihed - I can't handle cry babies; I don't hand hold - no - I CAN'T hand hold. Those are my rules and they stand to protect me and the authors. If they can't handle it, they can't come to my party.

If people don't understand netiquette and they're making you be the fall-girl about it - then they just are assholes and you shouldn't have to put up with them. It's your list, you say what stays and what goes; you say who stays and who goes, and who gives a flying fuck what they think about it. It's YOUR rules, and don't let anyone's whines get under your skin. Offer them two options: go by my rules or get out.

Sorry for the hard skin, but it's what I've learned. Back when I first thoought I was gonna do the agenting thing, I was working with two friends of mine who kept whining about my comments on their stuff (hello? I've been doing this for years!!! I know what works and what doesn't!) so I had to offer them a choice: my friendship or me as agent, and they chose my friendship and I sent them to another agent and they're still not getting anywhere because they can't handle the criticism. It's too bad cause they can write.

Anyway, maybe mine is a poor example but ya know? You've been doing this for YEARS, Melle; you know the score. I know it's a pain in the ass and it hurts and rattles and rankles - it's sorta like immortals never get used to losing the humans they love - but they deal and you'll deal and you'll be fine because you're strong and you're good at what you do.

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

It's not my community, is the thing. I have no authority, and since the moderator of the community doesn't seem all that inclined to step in firmly, I'm thinking of just leaving.

And yeah, see, the comparison with the beta process is exactly right. Because yes, when I get corrected about breaking rules, or when I get told I need to snip my favourite phrase in the whole story, it stings. At times, I step away from the computer and go have a private hissy fit and then come back and be a rational human being.

Unfortunately, "rational human being" seems to be a curse name these days.

but maybe you don't have to snip that favorite phrase but re-work the scene

[icanreadyourmnd.livejournal.com]

to amke it work better - make the reader see it and hear it better.... :> But in order to do that, the editor has to be honest and the author has to be open. And sure, it stings but rationality and being an adult when it counts counts for a hell of a lot. You and I are gonna work together fine, I think.

As for the list and the person who runs and the other twits there, leave it behind. You've got other (more fun) things to do with your life than deal with bullshit. :>

[arkane156.livejournal.com]

Where is this train wreck? I would like to see the carnage. One of these days I'm going to start a community just for reporting on flamewars.

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=customers_suck&itemid=152668

The original post has been altered, but it used to have the link to the photo gallery much bigger.

[arkane156.livejournal.com]

Ooh, they broke out the dreaded "LOOSER" zing! Man, they sure are the masters of internet debate. *snicker* Too bad Plini's not a slasher, I'm sure there are several fannish communities where she'd fit right in...