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[bubosquared]

When are those %$?* Palestinians going to stop murdering Israelis and just let them live?
(tingilya; LJ)

Um, you know, that conflict goes both ways. Yes, the Palestinians kill Israelis. And then the Israeli army goes into the Palestinian areas and kills some people. And then the Palestinians retaliate, etc. etc. This is not a case of the poor Israelis being randomly murdered by the vicious, evil Palestinians. This is a conflict that goes back at least sixty year, and even longer if you're really gonna dig back.I did a huge-ass essay on this when I was sixteen, yo. I know about this conflict.

It's horrible, and sad, and has claimed way, way, way to many lives over the course of sixty years, but the reason it's been going on since then is precicely because there is blame on both sides!

And now I'll stop myself before I launch into a veritable diatribe on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and why it's still not resolved. Nobody wants to hear that, right? Thought so.

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[shihadchick.livejournal.com]

she SAID tha-

*splutters indignantly*

Ok. Will be calm. Will not go and yell (with righteous indignation, *snerk*) at the stupid bint.

Bloody HELL.

And I agree exactly with what you said, by the way. It's tragic and it's horrible, but you canNOT lay blame on just the one side.

And, uh, ok, I realise this comment had no real point other than to say "right fucking on, Melle" but, uh, yeah. *looks guilty* And it's not like I haven't done my very own diatribes in chat yesterday a couple times already, either. *sigh*

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

*pet* 's okay, hon, any show of support is appreciated.

[larean.livejournal.com]

You go, Melle! I agree entirely. Every time I saw Dubya on TV this weekend condemning Arafat only I would bury my face in a cushion and let loose a stream of muffled curses.

[quiet000001.livejournal.com]

It's all about maturity.

Unfortunately, you put large groups of people together, the collective maturity level drops to near age 2.

At this point, I can't see anything changing significantly until both sides realise that it DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER who started it anymore. It's past time for both sides to grow the fuck up and say "right. Starting today, we're going to behave like intelligent mature adults, and come to some sort of agreement that we can live with." Because the majority of the problems with coming to a compromise for peace is that they keep being fucking petty about stupid things, and ignoring the big picture.

This is almost identical to the problems in Northern Ireland. People are too busy being worked up to actually think rationally about *why* they do shit.

I also think that American citizens perpetuate the problems- not just the political support from the US gov't for one side or the other, but independent Americans who send food/money/guns to support The Cause, fanning the flames from their nice safe non-terrorised-or-war-torn homes in suburbia. Obviously they're not solely responsible for the continuation, but it seems to me that they're really removed enough from the immediate situation that they should be able to look at the whole thing much more rationally and logically, and perhaps be trying to encourage some sort of peaceful solution, rather than supporting the conflicts. Pity that most Americans aren't terribly good at logic, being rational, or, in fact, THINKING.

Ahem.

(And I'm allowed to be rude about Americans because I am one. I am intimately familiar with the fact that most of the people in my country are ignorant, undereducated morons. Why do you think I'm not in a hurry to move back?)

er. sorry. I got carried away a bit. :) (Neph gets bored of politics, so I'm not allowed to rant about them to him anymore. Once I get started I go for hours.) (Don't ask me about The Shrub, aka Bush jr.)

[darksong.livejournal.com]

I think we all want to like Israel, but at the same time, they just sort of went in and made a country in land they only had a historical claim on...I don't think if I gathered up a bunch of my friends and I don't know, hiked up to Canada and said "hi, we're a new country" we'd be too welcome.

I'm not saying Israel doesn't have a right to exist, but I can see it from the Palestinians' perspective of "hey, we already lived here!"

I actually think Israel is being more offensive than the Palestinians. Neither side is right in their behavior, no, but I think Israel is looking much worse than they have in the past.

[izzybeth.livejournal.com]

Um......

THE FUCK???

and that's all I have to say about that.

::sighmuttergrumblerant::

[wea.livejournal.com]

*cheerfully shoots dead*

Um? Okay, I'm Jewish, here - so don't take it as anti-Semitism... and... well... what the fuck do you think will happen when you drop a shitload of friggin' Jews into SOMEBODY ELSES LAND??? There wouldn't be so much fighting if they didn't keep making settlements in land that belongs to the Palestinians... grr...

(Side note: On Canadian news earlier, they were interviewing someone who went

"You know, the Israelis... they're just like the Taliban!

[insert huge amounts of spluttering on the part of the newscaster interviewing him]

No, really, they are! Religious fanatics that won't listen to reason! They think the land was given to them by god!" (or something to that effect)

Poor newscaster just spluttered and spluttered and then 'ended' the interview :)

[fayemeadows.livejournal.com]

Notice she ever mentions anything bad that Christians do? I'm going to have to go find some articles about BigBad Christians and post them so maybe she can see that "her" little faction is no better than anyone else.

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[bubosquared.livejournal.com]

Dude, there've been times I've been ashamed to say I'm Christian because of all the shite that's been done in the name of Christianity. And then I remember that people are shitbags and will use any excuse, especially "We're on a mission from God!" to justify their shitbagness.

(Name that quote! :D)

[sonatine.livejournal.com]

Nrrrrrrgh! Need I remind her that Ariel Sharon, who is worse than Dubya if at all possible, because he has shitloads of big guns and tanks to play with and deploy at HIS OWN PEOPLE (granted, the Palestinians don't want to be his people, and nor would I, but until the Palestinians get their state, they're citizens of Israel, ja?), is the one ordering the army to hole up Yasser Arafat in HIS OWN HOUSE! Grrk. This situation scares me, much more than anything after 9/11 has, because I'm worried it WILL all go to hell. I think the Queen Mother just looked at all the shit that's going on over there and said, "Fuck this, I don't want to know how it turned out."