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Had a James Hetfield/Mariah Carrey dream last night. *pointedly glares in the general direction of Canada*

Blar, got an email back from the U2Bubblegum listmum. Um, girls? Did we know this is a writers-only list? Because the only thing keeping me back from starting my own list is the whole shades of TF-metslash thing. I don't think I'll be staying, though. And *cringe* she used the phrase "serious writers". That counts me out, then, since I'm lots of things, but serious isn't one of them. Yeah, I'm bitchy. So sue me. (*snerk*)

But, yeah. I'd like a U2 slash list where lurkers are welcome and all, and where temper tantrums like the one that sparked this whole thing are either ignored or put down, but this fandom is too small to warrant two lists, really. And, as I said, I fear the ever so slight chance that this'll turn into another List War, and um. No. Not with this fandom, not with me, and actually, not with her, either. I think she's naive, but then, I'm old and jaded, and she's actually okay.

I really hate fandom politics.

In other news, if I ever again can't get any Gitanes, please remind me to never ever buy Galoises, yeah? I still have a foul taste in my mouth. Yuck.


From: [identity profile] ex-shadowlig161.livejournal.com


*raises hand* Hey. I can't be on that list, because of my obvious issues re: age statements, with the not wanting to lie, not wanting to get into the same mess I got into in DD fandom, and so on. So I'd be all for another list. If that helps at all.

And-- dude, if the list isn't friendly, and it certainly doesn't seem like it is, then the fandom can warrant another list. Doesn't matter how many writers - or lurkers - there are. Just my thoughts, anyway. ^_^

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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No, see, for the most part, it is. (Because trust me, I've seen lists erupt in flame wars involving name-calling that made my ears red because of this very issue.)

And, yeah. I'm just terrified of starting another War of the Lists, if nothing else then because that burned me on Metallica slash for a number of months, and I don't want that to happen with U2.

But, perhaps I can ask on-list if people'd take offense/be interested.

BTW, can you get on MSM? My y!msgr is being a bleendog.

From: [identity profile] gal-montag.livejournal.com


I'd be interested.

I don't want to get kicked off for lurking.

And since I think it's best that I give up on U2 slash. (Characterization issues *sigh*) And I have a difficult time feedbacking on fiction that I can't get through. And I'm Quai-Dian's beta reader, making it superfluous for me to give her feedback.

So another list wold be nice.

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com


Characterisation issues? Wanna talk? Maybe we should start a U2slash chat. *grin*Do you IRC?

And, yeah. I'm thinking about it.


From: [identity profile] gal-montag.livejournal.com

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IRC? No. Mostly because my computer is stupid and I can't d/l the program. (Unless there's another way I don't know of)

From: [identity profile] ex-shadowlig161.livejournal.com


*nods* I know what you mean, about the list-war-ness, but this doesn't seem to be quite as.. crazed.. as the whole metslash vs. tallific thing. [From what I've heard, anyway. I don't know anything direct, but I've heard about twenty second-hand versions, and I think I've got some idea of what went on.] And it seems like, in this case at least, it's mostly an issue with the listmum, and the sibs aren't really taking sides, or... anything. And doesn't seem to have gotten as violent, etc. [Maybe I'm just thinking U2 = peace and love and yoj = happy, reasonable fandom people, and 'tallica = hairband! = screaming and anger. Which is really a ridiculous way to base these things, but, coming from the outside, that's what my brain is doing. <g>] But, yes, I think asking onlist would be a good idea, definitely.

And I'd get online, but it's 2AM, and I have school tomorrow, so I was just about to head to bed. >_< I'll be on around midnight your time, and possibly from about 7-8:30 pm your time as well.

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com


Right now, most of the listsibs, even the ones who were on tf and/or switched to metslash at the time of the split, and the ones who were involved in the hidious (I cringe!) semi-flamewar in Ruth's (and, at one time, Joanne's) LJ are ... at least on speaking terms again. I think now that everyone's calmed down, we all realised that really, this isn't worth getting that heated up over. I think Ms ListMum is really the only one who still holds an actual grudge. (Well, Kr*s, too, but whatever.)

And it's not even an issue with the listmum; I was wront, twasn't her who emailed the list re: feedback -- although the person emailing did mention talking to the listmum and bitching and implied that she agreed, which is actually rather annoying. I have issues (I'm way too fond of that word) with people not fighting their own battles. (See also: Sp**ks, CC.)

So, yeah, I'm thinking about it, but I'm gonna send an email to the list about it first, to make absolutely sure that people realise I'm not trying to drain that list or whatever, and it's just a matter of a playground more suited for those of use who are ... laxer, I guess.

Go to sleep, you freak. :p


From: [identity profile] minette.livejournal.com


Ahahaha! Look, it's not my fault James can't keep it in his pants, even in your dreams. He's just a slut. He can't control his nature. ;)

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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Dude, it is so your fault! (Although the hoses were Molly's, I think.) My first hetsex dream, and it's this? I'd like my group shower sex dreams back, thanks.

*sporking eyes out*
ext_9362: (adam's 'fro)

From: [identity profile] izzybeth.livejournal.com


Did we know this is a writers-only list?

Erk......I kinda had an idea. And I'm writing....sort of....really I am! But I also have a problem with the 'no lurking' rule. I think it's ridiculous because I just lurk. I can't help it. But I'd be in favor of a lurker-friendly list, too. I don't think the fandom's too small or anything. I'd join.

I'm using 'I' way too much. Gah.

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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Yeah, well. The thing is it's so ... parallel to the whole mess in Metallica fandom, and. No. So not happening again. Hence my hesitation. :/

From: [identity profile] leici.livejournal.com


Awww, man! This is all such a mess... Arg. And I totally understood what Mandi was saying, too, but I knew it would get all out of hand. That sucks, Melle. I would totally join a list if you made one. I'm down with as much U2 fiction as I can get my hands on. Reh...

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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Heh. Funny, I don't think of it as being out of hand. Prolly cause I've seen so much worse, so in my POV it's really calm. Not counting my own Old Fart posts, of course.

From: [identity profile] leici.livejournal.com

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Oh, okay. I just don't want it to be all factioning and lists pitted against each other and reh... Sorry, Melle. I'm tired...

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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Oh, don't apologise! Before the metallica thing, i polly would've thought of oit as being out of hand-ish, too.

From: [identity profile] dynamicsymmetry.livejournal.com


Meh. I'm not following that list much anyway. Not enough hours in a day. *sigh*

And that whole thing struck me as a huge string of over-reactions. I've seen it on so many lists before, yet each time I hope that maybe THIS TIME we'll all be smart and mature and on-the-same-page enough to avoid it.

Apparently not.

Either way, lists just aren't my thing, it seems. I'll stick with ff.net and the few other archives that I follow.

Of course, if you were to start a list, I'd probably join. Just because I can't NOT. And I'll stick with Bubblegum for now, at least until it gets unbearable.

As for my own fic, well, these days I'm not writing enough to warrent posting, and net time un-monitored by parents is hard to come by.

I seem to be a lurker by necessity. Geh.

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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Yeah, I'm sure I overreacted as well, but. Yeah. I did mention personal experience made me real quasy about crtain subjects. :/

From: [identity profile] punkrawkpyro.livejournal.com


See.....I only wrote one fic that I actually posted, and that was in my LJ so you people could give me some feedback to see if I was doing thigs right. I was never on a list, and was considering joining that one, but I didn't know they had a no lurking rule... Ah well.

I dunno, I was really never was involved in a list, and therefore have never heard of a listwar. But it seems to me, that it would be a good thing to have more then one list. That mean's the fandom's expanding and growing bigger, which is almost always good (except for the fact that it sometimes attracts some unwanted Mary-Sueism. You should see what happened to the Blink-182 and Linkin Park sections of FF.net. The both of them seriously went downhill. But that's a whole 'nother rant.)

Er, I'm rambling, aren't I.... Heh, I think another list would be a good thing, and tell me if you make one. I'd join!:)

From: [identity profile] shihadchick.livejournal.com


I think raising the subject onlist is a good idea... I was all "yay! join me up like yesterday!" when I found out about it, but then when I got the orig message thingy and it came on quite strong on the whole "no lurkers" thing, it did put me off a bit... partly cos I'm a slow writer (well, to get ideas, that is, I tend to actually write in one or two sessions, but that's a whole unrelated OTness) and because I'm so new to the fandom that I want to sort of read and 'listen' and stuff first to get a better idea about stuff... *looks at what she's written here* damn, I'm rambling randomly, aren't I?

What I mean to say is that I'd join another list, but I wouldn't want to think that the existance of another list would hurt feelings/etc of other people in bubblegum (ew, could i sound more sappy?? *kicks self*) but just from bits of it I've seen, I don't think I'd fit on Bubblegum at the moment... like you said, I need something a bit more laidback... (and OT-friendly, *G*) I think at the moment I'm happy with the LJing and stuff... seems to be working OK for me, at least.

*wanders off babbling still*

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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I understood what you were saying, hon, so it's not that random. :)

And it's not just the size of the fandom, but also the similarity to situations in Metallica fandom last year, and. Yeah. And also, I just "cleaned" myself of all listmum responsabilities, and I don't really wanna take on more. :/

From: [identity profile] goddessofdeth.livejournal.com


Had a James Hetfield/Mariah Carrey dream last night. *pointedly glares in the general direction of Canada*

Hahahahahahahaahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! *begins to wonder if you or 'Nette have heard the true and touching story of how James pissed ALL OVER the toilet in Mariah's dressing room as a thank you for her bitchiness* then again, if 'Nette's right, and James is that much of a whore, that hatred must make for some wild sex :P

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