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The Symposium was nixed right away, because their intelectually superior attitude irritates me. I love discussions and meta-discussions and an academic approach to things, but they take it a step too far for me. And, well, any article I'd submit would have references to or examples from RPS, and I just know a number of people would concentrate on that rather than on my actual point, and a lot of them wouldn't even read it because of that. So, x-nay on the FS.
CABS? I seriously considered it. I like a lot of what they're saying, but some of the things they say rub me the wrong way, and. I dunno. I don't think I want to put my stuff on there, and that's even assuming I could do it under my own name, because Idon't want to take on a pseud for this. (They have a point, of course. I know damn well that if you're having a discussion about something writing-related, there's always gonna be people who will turn the discussion from whatever the point is to the flaws in your own writing. And trust me, i have big issues with that, and even bigger ones with the idea that if you're not a writer, your opinion is worthless. But at the same time, I'd feel as if I were hiding, and I don't want that.)
So, yeah. Anyone know a place where I could put up stuff like Ten Things Not To Do With A Sex Scene and a rant about dialects and dialogue and things like that?
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Hey...if you'd consider it, you could even open it to submissions from the RPS-friendly and tolerant?
I know there's the RS-X archive, but it would be nice to have a place other than LJ to wibble about this stuff that was a bit more formalised than a list.
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There really should be somewhere else, but I don't think it's become a need yet. I suppose in part it's because the other two were enough until RPS started being more prolific, or at least less underground.
And I'll just have to post my fanon rant in a few places.
The gist is that it annoys me that I'm supposed to blindly accept anything not shown on-screen as any kind of canon. I don't.
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(and yeah, okay, I'm a bit miffed that they didn't even contact me at ll, even though half of that article is about RareSlash and RS-X. I could've told them that the split between RS and RS-X wsa more than just the RSers "snubbing" RPS.)
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And yeah, they could get the facts straight.
They didn't contact me, either, and I'm not entirely comfortable with their using my name as an example of an RPS writer without asking. I mean, if someone asked, I probably wouldn't mind, although I'd probably ask to be referred to by my pseud in an RPS context.
Actually, now I think about it, is it me or is it just a little bit...hypocritical for them to hide behind anonymity and freely post my and Nat's non-RPS names (I know Nat's a pseud, but they might not, and it's not the point) in an article on RPS. I mean, if they know enough about Nat's and my RPS to know we write it, surely they've at least seen a story or two...
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Then they claim it's RS that accepts RPS (which it's not) and then they claim the RS-X split happened becuase the RSers "snubbed" at RPS. Which annoys me to no end because I was f*cking proud of my list for that discussion.
They didn't contact you? The HELL? Yeah, what you said. I mean. The HELL?!?
God, I really want to write them a scathing email now. F*cking F*CK!
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The looks thing really bothers me. I mean, yeah, I actually do find most/all of the people I slash attractive, but it's not about what they look like, it's about what you said. Not that there's anything wrong with a nice visual either, but it's not what it's about.
Yes...the RS thing is weird. I kind of get the feeling they've heard about it, or something. I read the archives a while ago, curious about what had actually been said, and it was interesting to say the least. Would that all RPS debates could be so courteous.
They could have at least asked, I thought. It's really not a comfortable thing for me. I'm as out as an RPSer as I want to be, known as a supporter and writer, with a veil between me and people who I don't want to know about it (and there are many more of those online these days than offline)
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Sigh, yes. I can more or less understand people who're comfortable with musicianslash and less with actorslash, because it is true that actors have less of a public persona than musicians. But this BBS vs "real" musicans-slash reeks of the whole "boybands aren't real musicians, they suck, they're an insult to true music, blablablablablabla" attitude that seems to plague slasherdom. :/
Absolutely. Yes, I do usually finf my "muses" attractive. However, I have muses I personally find less attractive, and there's men I find attractive (Dylan!) whom I couldn't actually slash to save my life. It's about chemistry, mostly.
Indeed, and that's what pissed me off about that little swipe. Do your fucking research and know what the fuck you're talking about before you spread your opinion on it. Don't spread lies, especially not on a forum as oft-frequented as CABS. Sigh.
And yes, re: keeping a veil. Anyone who reads my stories and clicks the link to my website will find out my real name, but I don't fancy my ex-classmates finding my stories by accident by doing a search on my name.
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I'm not sure if I agree with this, if only because I've recently started to realise how many people in the "real world" have public personas, and you'd have to at least triple it if you were an actor or any kind of celebrity. I don't think it's necessarily less than with musicians.
Oh, and yes, the entire Boybands aren't real music...*SCREAM*. The thing is, I wonder if people who do loathe boybands (and hey, people are entitled to loathe whatever they want to, just don't tell me I have to loathe it too) are applying their loathing to RPS, in some cases, because all they know about is BBS, because it's so much more known. I know it's not all of it, but I can't help wondering if some people who might not be opposed to other pairings see boybands and just aren't interested. I actually got an LoC about this not long ago, they wrote about one of my Matt/Ben/Casey stories and said that they'd only seen BBS and that hadn't interested them.
I don't think I could write erotic or romantic stuff (maybe romantic non-sex, I think I have) with someone I didn't find a little bit attractive, on some level. And there are a few people I find attractive but can't slash, because there isn't the chemistry. Robbie Williams is one, but I think he's a matter of time.
Yes, it would be nice if they researched, maybe at least asked someone who was there, if not you personally.
I know. I just don't want people able to find me easily. I mean, I put my name into Google and it's a page and a half of hits before I get to one of my archived stories. But someone just randomly putting my name into a search engine and finding it - it's not worth the explanations to people who won't get it, and that's the main reason I don't tell people in RL. Most don't get being a fan, let alone anything else.
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Mmmmyyyessss, that's true, but the way I see it is, it's much easier for an actor to stay out of the public eye, so to speak. What actors "sell" is (or should be, at least) their acting, their roles, their characters and movies. With musicians, their "stage persona" is part of what they sell, and that "sp" stretches out into all public appearances, usually. Of course, most actors nowadays have their own public persona, but there's a subtle difference which is probably all in my own little head.
Don't mind me, I like to hear myself think.
Indeed. Or if they'd joined the list and gone back in the archives to actually read a few messages -- or actually, more than just a few msgs, as I suspect they did. If they'd read the majority of the discussion and gotten a better idea of what the actual opinions were like, they'd not have made a fool of themself.
(Hey, I wonder if I can sue for libel in name of the list. Ha! That'd be funny.)
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Oh, yes, I agree there. If they want to, of course. I'll even admit that I had second and third thoughts about writing RPS about Edward Norton because he keeps himself so private, and the one I did do was because he was literally the only possibility to do that particular story with. I'm not sure I'll ever write anything else about him. I never say never, but it'll have to be a very persistent idea.
Anyway, that's my long-winded agreement that yes, there's a subtle difference.
How I tend to look at it is: Do the actors in question really appeal to me together outside of their roles? If I can say yes, then I can decide if it's possible to write them.
Then again, musicians have to really interest me outside of their music to write them too.
And then there are the FPS people who seem to want time too...especially the brand new ones. Why did Matt have to ruin his record of never being character-slashy in a movie that doesn't have Ben in it (that isn't The Talented Mr Ripley)?
Indeed. Or if they'd joined the list and gone back in the archives to actually read a few messages
I get the feeling that they are prolific slash writers/list members. I wouldn't be surprised if they were already on RS at the time.
(Hey, I wonder if I can sue for libel in name of the list. Ha! That'd be funny.)
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