"Why aren't fictional characters enough for these writers?"

Ge, honey, perhaps because we get inspired by characters that aren't fictional? No, of copurse not, we purposely go out to look for Real People to write about. Fuckers.


From: [identity profile] katari.livejournal.com


Go out and look, my ass. I don't look for Real People muses, they whack me over the head with an abnormally large plot bunny, move in while I'm unconscious, and then demand to be written. Violent little beasts, they are.

From: [identity profile] keykgi.livejournal.com


Uhm, I do. (Go out and look for RP to slash.) Is that a bad thing? o.o;;

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com


Stop undermining my argument, yo. ;)

Really, it's just the whole "why isn't fps enough" that gets to me. Well, why aren't original characters enough for them? Why do the have to take other people's creations and twist them? Fuckers.


From: [identity profile] keykgi.livejournal.com


Sorry. *snicker*

I know what you mean. But don't let it get to you too much, ok? :) Sounds to me like they're only frantically searching for a way to prove their moral isn't damaged by writing slash because hey, they still respect (real) people's private life despite borrowing copyrighted characters from others. But like you say, who of those RP really care/know of it anyway?

Blah. Stupid people.

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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Yeah, and really, it only gets to me because um. I have issues.

It's just. They don't ever want to argue, or even just admit that yeah, it's a personal thing and whatever.

(To be fair, a lot of non-RPSers do admit that. It's just that a lot of them on this particular list are of the Holien Than Thou school, and a lot of those don't even seem to realise they're doing it.)

From: [identity profile] arkane156.livejournal.com

I know I said I was going to bed, but...


Fuck those people! God, I am getting so fucking sick of these holier-than-thou, condescending fandom snobs. I feel like starting a site for disgruntled slashers and calling it "Fuck Slash Fandom."

If I weren't so tired I'd write another Bill/Steve/Larry installment, but I guess I'll just have to settle for watching Jerry Springer. Feuding rednecks make everything better!

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

Re: I know I said I was going to bed, but...


I'm beyond caring about their condescense at this point. And I'm actually managing to be amused at their "those people". I love it that they feel so safe and secure in their Ivory FCA-L Tower and don't think that hello, perhaps there are some RPS-ers on the list? (Which makes little to no sense, because um. This discussion flared because Joanne asked a question in which she made it clear that yes, she writes RPS.) But really, yeah, it's the "those people" -- that exact phrase -- that pisses me off. Because I've heard so many people use it in the most racist, homophobic, prejudiced diatribes, and well. See previous post re: knee-jerk reaction. I think it's mostly that they see RPS writers and FPS writers as two sperate groups. There's Us and Them and never the twain shall meet. And yeah, I guess it used to be mostly like that, but these days, lots of FPSers dabble in RPS (if only to read) and really, I know few RPSers who haven't written at least one FPS piece. What irked me about the "why isn't FPS enough" thing is that it's so foreign to the whole "process" of my writing. I get an idea for a story, I write, I get it beta'ed, I share. Frankly, wether or not I hurt people with it doesn't affect me. So yeah, maybe I'm disrespectful. But hey, you know? I'm not the one looking down on *NSync for being "just pop". I'm not the one calling them industry whores. I'm not the one condemning Joey for being a womaniser, or Justin for claiming to be a virgin. I like these people. They're eyecandy, they're amusing, and hey! I like to write stories about them touching each other in sexy ways. How is that "disrespectful", or rather, more disrecspectful than regarding them as indfustry whores? HUH? Um. Yeah. Above rant brought to you by BattleScars, Inc. ^_^
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From: [personal profile] coneyislandbaby

Re: I know I said I was going to bed, but...


(Which makes little to no sense, because um. This discussion flared because Joanne asked a question in which she made it clear that yes, she writes RPS.)

You know, for a while there, I was wondering if I'd been too subtle

Actually, it is a question I've been meaning to ask for ages, because, tbh, I always felt a little odd promoting bifictional (RP & FP) lists on solely FP lists, but I also felt that it was less touchy to let people know ahead of time that the lists accept RPS.

I'm a Libra. Decisions are not an easy thing for me.

But really, yeah, it's the "those people" -- that exact phrase -- that pisses me off.

Yes, me too. For exactly the reasons you said.

You know, these arguments always piss me off to the point where I can't bear to write FPS. Not that that's a problem this moment *looks at huge partly done story*, but I know my next bunny is going to be FPS, because the fucker's already writing sentences in my head. Still, maybe it'll have blown over by then.

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

Re: I know I said I was going to bed, but...


I have to admit, I went back and re-read your initial post myself, thinking "Um. Was I just assuming it was clear becuase I know she writes RPS?" but no, hun, you were perfectly clear. I think they just don't see what they don't want to see.

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From: [personal profile] coneyislandbaby

Re: I know I said I was going to bed, but...


Which is unfortunate.

I may not always succeed, but I do try very hard to see both POVs in an argument.

How can you make a rational decision if you can't?
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From: [identity profile] arkane156.livejournal.com


"Why isn't minding one's own fucking business enough for braindead busybody fanfic police?"

*snerk*

If I had a quotes page, I would totally quote that.

From: [identity profile] bubosquared.livejournal.com

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It's actually gotten better over the year or two that RPS has been really coming to the forefront. They've mostly stopped the "These Things Should Be Kept Private" diatribe, for example.

But they're still incredibly looking down on us, because we're just stalkers and delusionals who see slashyness in charcaters and apply it to the actors (hello? musicianslash, anyone?) and argh!

Luckily, from where i'm standing, it seems to be mostly the "old school" slashers. Most of the younger generation (and the non-old schoolers of the previous "generations") have a more "whatever" attitude.

That's really my big hope. That in five or ten years, RPF will be as accepted within fandom as it is outside of it. I really think the people who're coming into fandom now will have it easier writing RPS, and the next generations will have it easier still. I guess it was just my bad luck that my "generation" was one of the first to really bring RPS into the open, to not be ashamed of it.

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