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Was trudging through In Progress folder. Came across rough draft of rant I wrote. Quite a while ago. So, on the subject of smut, and keep in mind this is present company wholly excluded (cause the lot of you are great smut writers, those of you who write, and write smut):

THERE IS MORE TO M/M SMUT THAN ANAL SEX!

Godfuckingdammit. I mean. Look, there's plenty of gay men who rarely or even never engage in this activity. There's blowjobs, and handjobs, and frottage, and what the fuck ever else you can come up with. Be a little creative, for fuck's sake. If I'm going to read smut, I want it to be original. not just plain old average Tab-A-Slot-B stuff. Oh and hey, while I'm at it:

THERE IS MORE TO SLASH THAN SMUT!

I. Am. SICK and TIRED! Of the attitude (both from slashers themselves and from "outsiders") that a story isn't slash ("just" "pre-slash") uless they've had actual (onscreen) sex, that slash is all about putting characters in homosexual situations and bla bla bla and bla bla bla. Aaargh!

Look. I'm not one of these doofuses who delude themselves into thinking we're writing highly controversial stuff, that we're being guerillas against TPTB or whatnot. Howthefuckever. I do like to think that these stories have merit as that. Stories. Words strung together into sentences, sentences into a plot, a story, dialogue. Something with maybe less literary value than, say, War And Peace, but I never aimed for that even with my non-fanfic writing.

Yes, I write erotica, or porn, or whatever you wanna call it. Smut. Often, I don't write explicit smut. Sometimes, I write nothing but explicit smut. Can we please look beyond the smut and at the story, please? The smut is just a part of that. And not usually an essential part, either.

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YES! Thank you...you said it.

Polish that up and submit it to the Symposium. :)

Ooooh. You think I ought to? I dunno. I'm not sure I could say this in a civilised matter. There would be swearing involved. ^_^

*hides sheepishly away*
Well you make some terrific points all around and it made me think. I've come to the conclusion that I've an extreme violator of the "bad". Even in some of the longest stuff I've written... smut, no plot, sex sex everywhere.

:)) I've a very bad person LOL!

BUt see, if that's what you want to write, then by all means, do! I'm not saying "Stop writing smut," I'm saying "Let me wriet without smut if I want to." Which you do. ^_^

It's just that I'm tired of seeing tons of one-line "Where's the smut?" feedback, of the (imagined?) expectation of smut, and not necessarily of the smut itself.

Oh, OH I get it now (activate the brain Jess *G*) If you write something intending all along NOT to have the smut or be explicit, but still be slash, and then for readers not to get it, and thinking it MUST have smut in it, it defeats the purpose/enjoyment of one writing it ;))

See, I can be taught LOL!

Yep, that's it exactly. I mean, like Lust? I wrote that intending it to be a smutfest. Can't active my brain right now, but there's a number of non-explicit stories that really had no need for sex, and any sex i would've written for it would've been a) bad, because I can't write smut when I'm not in the mood, and b) detached from the actual story.

And you know, part of it is also the feeling that if we (slashers) keep seeing slash as purely about the sex, then outsiders aren't gonna do that, either. And, well, that frustrates me.

*nods* Exactly. I think the more us who can come to understand that (that slash isn't just about sex), I believe that it can only be better for slash fandoms in the future.

I've wanted to write something that didn't have sex in it, and start with that in mind. This might just resurge that :)

UGH! Thank you! I was just discussing this with someone yesterday. Frankly, I don't understand at all why blowjobs, et al, are considered somehow less sexy than actual *intercourse*. It's crazy that it's somehow a norm for any sexual encounter in a fic to include it.

And, while we're at it, why is it that for some fandoms, if your story doesn't include some form of hardcore mattress dancing, it just flat-out sucks? Arrrrrrrgh.

I know! Especially because really, pick up an autobiographical gay (er*tic) book, and you'll notice that anal sex is really an exception rather than the rule. (Ex.: Puppies)

I have a theory about this, but it ties in with my big slash theory. Maybe I'll get round to sharing that once.

*cough* Some fandoms? *raises eyebrow*

(Okay, I guess there's fandoms where s*x matters less. Tiny ones, like S*x Pistols. And the portion of NSync fandom where I reside.)

(Asterixes because of my company's damned filter. Gr.)

THANK YOU.

But now I'm even more insecure about the amount of sex in the Matt/Ben/Gwyneth story. Except that I really can't cut any of it without sacrificing a significant event in the story. But even so I still feel like there's too much sex. I think it's an average of one orgasm for each per story part, over several days. And the sex that I know will be coming up can't be cut, because it's necessary to the story. The thing is, I've been feeling like there's too much sex from almost the beginning, but like I said, it's all tied to significant plot points like first time m/m, first time (for the couple, not in general) m/f and first time m/m/f, not to mention there's one that has to take place for decidedly non-sexually-related reasons.

Still, you go, girl! This is absolutely right.

I like smut that isn't anal-sex-cented, and I love non-smut (that sometimes gives me a *cough* warmer feeling than smut if it's got really nice kisses or non-smut touching).

See above. :)

It's not the smut I mind, or even the abundance, it's the expectation. The way stories without explicit smut are treated as ... second rate, somehow. Not "real" slash. Not good enough.

I know, but I was just feeling insecure and tired and stuff.

I admit to sometimes wishing for smut in rarer pairings when there's only a couple of stories and they're all non-smut, but beyond that I don't think about it really. If a story has smut and it's good, I'll like it, and if it doesn't have smut and is good, I'll like it.

And if it's not good, it doesn't matter if it has smut or not...I won't like it.

Unless it's from Nifty and I'm giggling at the badness...*veg*

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